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  • Hi. Can I ask why you have removed and reworded some of my edits on Harry Mowlam? Its OK I am not criticising, just wondering if there is something I am not wording/editing right? Thanks. Has it got to be more concise? I dont usually do concise very well?

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    • No no you're very good and great at getting all the details. I feel sometimes the article (about the "whodunnit" storyline) sometimes goes off Mowlam and becomes about Derek and Matt in some places. Thanks for doing those pages, they'd be of very low quality and out of date if you hadn't saved them!

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    • Thanks for clarifying. I still use my old wiki occasionally, but have transferred a lot of info to here. I aim to help keep on making this wiki here the ultimate Emmerdale factfinder. Benny1982 (talk) 21:06, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

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    • You're doing a fantastic job already!

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    • Thanks. One of my fave moments was when Amos overheard Turner and The Major criticising him, and the fact that up to then, Amos had been trying to form a friendship with Turner. After he overheard Turner and the Major calling him a bore, it created a long story arc as Amos changed towards Turner for good after that, and only addressed him as Mr Turner and distanced himself from Turner a bit. Benny1982 (talk) 20:37, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

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    • Yes I saw that episode recently. Henry was furious when Amos told him what happened - and rightfully so. The Major was a right character - how anyone could make friends with him is beyond me! Tufty on the other hand, would have been nice to see him as a recurring character and as a close friend of Amos.

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    • I think The Major was psychotic. Yes, Tufty could have become a regular or at least recurring character.

      Although The Major was a pussycat compared to the nasty Harry Mowlam who was a disgusting man and I feel even though Derek was nasty, he did do Beckindale a favour by killing Harry. Benny1982 (talk) 22:15, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

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    • Mowlam was Emmerdale's first real villain. Derek and Keith had more of a reputation - although Derek appeared for a long duration, I don't think there was much that made Derek appear as a villain on-screen (aside from the armed robbery and his final episode). I think Dennis Blanch plays a good villain. Clearly the producers agreed which is why they brought back Jim Latimer (a rather anti-climactic story though.)

      I wish ITV would replay the episode from 1980-89. 1981, 1984 and 1985 look like very interesting years, just not many episodes are available.

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    • Although Warner was still an evil man, as he was going to let Matt take the blame for the murder, and only when he got caught he put on the waterworks and said he never meant fro Matt to get done. Even though he was never seen in the show again, Warner still exists in the shows narrative so I imagine he did his 15 years and was released about 2001. Although I am gald we saw Dennis Blanch again as another character. "Emmerdale Farm" was anything but sleepy and peaceful. 1985-1988 was quite dark and intense. 1988 saw a robbery, a fire, affair, redundancies, Jock's increasingly erratic behaviour etc. 1987 saw Metcalfe admit to killing his wife, and the nuclear dump protest etc. Benny1982 (talk) 14:23, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

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    • Would have been cool if they'd brought back Derek - maybe he'd blame the Sugdens for something that happened to him inside prison? The show wasn't as sleepy as it was made out to be, there was just a lack of big stunts and such in comparison to other TV shows.

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    • I think that the surname Mowlam for Harry may have been taken from actress Carole Mowlam who played a doctor in March 1983. And Harry Mowlam appeared 9 months later. Mowlam is not a common surname. Same as Gordon Livesy, Aaron's dad, and in the 1970s a crew member was called Gordon Livesy. Actor Stephen Marchant played Terence Turner in 1985/1986, and 10 years later there was a character called Steve Marchant. Benny1982 (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

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    • Yes I do wonder if sometimes they do base it off real crew members. There was also the storyline with the client and Moira and Victoria accidentally stole the dog's ashes, but Victoria lied it was a friend named "Terry Daw"

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    • Interesting about Hary still being alive overnight after Derek beat him to a pulp, but then dying once Henry found him. This indicates that Derek may not have intended to actually kill Harry, just to teach him a lesson and it went too far. When he was arrested he said "I even mucked things up by killing somebody", hinting that he may have intended to only beat Mowlam up to get him to back off mouthing off.

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    • Yes that's exactly what I was thinking. I got it from Henry saying that he could see the fear in Harry's eyes before he died. I think this was the first "whodunnit" in a UK soap. I think, however, if they had Matt sent to prison for a few weeks before being exonerated, they could have attracted more publicity and possibly even more viewers (Emmerdale Farm reached it's peak in 1985 however its request to move to a more prime time in the schedule was rejected).

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